1. I sent you my notes write up from my iPad, but I wasn't sure that it shared to you properly - let me know whether you got it.

    You've done such a good job with your coverage of the book so far, I feel as though my notes from today's lunch discussion don't measure up - but feel free to expand on things as you see fit.


  2. At today's lunch discussion, John B mentioned that he knew someone he had worked with who could control his breath rate very low (like 3 breaths per minute). Here's what I found regarding normal respiratory rate:

    "Respiratory rate: A person's respiratory rate is the number of breaths you take per minute. The normal respiration rate for an adult at rest is 12 to 20 breaths per minute. A respiration rate under 12 or over 25 breaths per minute while resting is considered abnormal.

    • Steve, can you provide some context here? As someone whose participation in this discussion is entirely online, I'm trying to understand the relevance of breathing rates to habit formation. I can get my breathing down to zero breaths per minute for a minute, and I know there are those who can do so for two or more minutes, but it's not a healthy habit long-term. How did this line of discussion develop?

    • I call bs on what he was saying, sorry J. Furthermore, he was referring to the whole idea that Buddhism contends that we have a fixed number of breaths so his friend tried to extend that by breathing less.

      The only way to reduce the number of breaths needed (or heartbeats), is by developing extremely efficient lungs and heart, this would require a lot of intense exercise (not just willpower).

      Then I don't think that this would be a habit per se, as discussed in the book. But David, that was the gist of the discussion. Unless he comes in here to try to expand or explain, IMO is a bit off from the book's discussion.

      • On a side note, I've been practicing this since Wednesday, on and off. Timing myself and I can easily do 5 breaths per minute. Taking really deep and long breaths. Keep in mind that I've had a lifetime of asthma to deal with so practicing calm and long breaths has been part of my life for a long time.

        With that said, if I do this consistently for over 5 minutes I get a bit light headed. Can it be done, I'm sure, can someone achieve this breathing pattern as a standard unconscious behavior all day long? I'm not so sure.

        I still contend that this doesn't relate much to the types of habits we're discussing in the book, but I've been wrong before, once or twice. 😉

        • Thanks, Oscar.

          As I've gotten further into the book, the book itself seems to be drifting away from "habits" and more into general psychology of marketing. I'm still enjoying the read, but it seems that the author may have said everything he has to say about intentionally cultivated habit in the first third of the book.

          • I didn't feel like that about the book at all. Although the whole thing is a a lot about a certain aspect related to psychology... and Marketing is really just psychology applied. I'm writing my wrap up for week 3 and week 4. Will post them soon.

            We started Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook by Gary Vaynerchuck. Are you following along with us on that?

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